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Post by Tapecat on Oct 10, 2008 21:11:31 GMT -5
Are Lionpaw, Hollypaw and Jaypaw really Squirrelflight's kits, or are they Leafpool's? (I did not come up with this theory on my own)
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Post by Rainwhisper on Oct 11, 2008 22:35:47 GMT -5
You should move this post to the Rumor Section
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Post by Essences of Dark Dreams on Oct 12, 2008 0:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah I think Rainwhisper is right. This is not the right Tread to place this at
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Post by Rainwhisper on Oct 12, 2008 18:33:47 GMT -5
However, only Frozeneye can do that.
and, he isn't logging on.
(sob)
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Post by Frozeneye on Oct 12, 2008 21:57:56 GMT -5
Its okay guys. I just moved it.
So anyway...
I think they are really Leafpool and Crowfeather's kits. Echopool and I wrote up a whole theory, I just have to find it and post it here. The theory explains why we think this is so.
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Post by Rainwhisper on Oct 12, 2008 22:14:24 GMT -5
I still think that it's Squirrelflight's and Brambleclaw's.
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Post by Echopool on Oct 20, 2008 14:41:50 GMT -5
HEY! I HELPED WITH THAT THEORY AND I SUPPORT IT!!!!! SHUT UP RAINWHISPER!!!
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Post by Rainwhisper on Oct 20, 2008 19:36:44 GMT -5
Make Me Shut Up Echopool! JK
So What that You Helped w/the theory? JK
I still don't believe It!
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Post by Echopool on Oct 23, 2008 20:17:15 GMT -5
Why not, Rainwhisper? It SOOOOOO fits!
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Post by Frozeneye on Nov 6, 2008 17:11:00 GMT -5
Yeah! Take a look at this:
* Leafpool and Crowfeather elope for several moons, meeting every night, to do what?
* After the kits’ births, Squirrelflight’s milk didn’t come.
* The kits were born outside the hollow, when queens are supposed to stay in camp when expecting kits.
* No one other than the queen was there to witness the births.
* In Sunset, in Brambleclaw’s P.O.V., “the Clan was well fed; even slender Leafpool was looking quite plump.”
* In the Warriors Play, After Sunset: We Need to Talk, a) Why does Leafpool need to talk to Crowfeather, and b) Why does she give up her struggle to talk to him after he mentions his mate and kit???
* In The Sight, Jaypaw is talking to Leafpool. He says, “Sometimes I dream about when I was very small, traveling through snow. Is that right? That wasn’t the Great Journey, was it?” (190). Leafpool responds, stuttering, “No, the Great Journey was long before you were born. But your … your mother did make a long journey with you through the snow when you were very small. You were born outside the hollow and she had to wait until you were all strong enough to travel.” (190).
* Towards the end of the New Prophecy, Leafpool has a dream where three cats come to her and tell her that she "will follow a path few medicine cats have walked before". What could that path be? Also, let's take a look at who came to tell her this: Lionheart, the former ThunderClan deputy who remained loyal through thick and thin; Bluefur, a former ThunderClan leader who mated with a cat from another Clan; and Yellowfang, a medicine cat who went against the warrior code to mate and have kits, and was supposedly cursed for it. If it is true that Hollypaw, Lionpaw, and Jaypaw are, indeed, Leafpool's kits, wouldn't Leafpool have followed a combination of these three cats' paths?
* Jaypaw is a gray tabby tom with blue eyes. Nowhere in Squirrelflight’s or Brambleclaw’s ancestry is there a cat with gray fur or blue eyes. Leafpool is a tabby she-cat. Crowfeather is a gray-black tom with blue eyes.
* Hollypaw is a black she-cat with green eyes. Squirrelflight and her parents, Firestar and Sandstorm, both have green eyes. However, she nor Brambleclaw have any black cats in their family tree. Leafpool is Squirrelflight’s sister. Crowfeather is a gray-black tom.
* Lionpaw is a golden tabby tom with amber eyes. His background is confusing because of his features. He could have gotten his amber eyes from either Brambleclaw or Leafpool, and the tabby pelt as well. Goldenflower, Brambleclaw’s mother, was sister of a previous ThunderClan deputy, Lionheart. Lionheart had a golden tabby pelt, like Lionpaw. But how could Lionpaw be Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight’s kit if his brother and sister belonged to Leafpool?
* Even if the kits are Leafpool’s, the prophecy will still apply to them.
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Post by Echopool on Nov 8, 2008 9:56:33 GMT -5
YEAH! But, my friend STILL tries to disprove it. She says that Firestar and Scourge are half-brothers (the mother, I can show you the rise of scourge, she says "you would have been proud of your kits, my love. Strange that none of them inherited YOUR GINGER FUR, but i see your spirit in them all the same.") and that's where Hollypaw gets her color from..... DOUBT IT!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Rainwhisper on Nov 8, 2008 18:01:48 GMT -5
Well...
I see your point...
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Post by Echopool on Nov 12, 2008 21:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by Frozeneye on Nov 15, 2008 22:53:59 GMT -5
i dont reely understand wat im supposed 2 b looking 4... i looked up "mother" also, and Jaysomething says "... if you're not our mother and father, who is?" some other quotes towards the end of the book are: "...Squirrelflight had revealed. 'If they're not our mother and father, then who are our real...'" "...her. 'I want to know who our mother and father are, just as much as...'" "...them, as if she really was their mother. 'As long as Ashfur knows our secret,...'" "'Our real mother lied, too,' Hollysomething pointed out, a snarl..." No, their names aren't really "Jaysomething" and "Hollysomething"; i just put that there 4 any1 who duznt want stuff spoiled 4 them. I noe it's not much evidence, but maybe you can fill in the blanks
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Post by Echopool on Nov 16, 2008 11:28:05 GMT -5
YAY!
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